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Message 3214 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 5:13:26 UTC
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Conan
thank you for your kind words.

Yes, the project could be very interesting.
But, most likely, the project will not continue.

Tomas Brada does not fulfill my requirements, but fulfills the requirements of some private messages.
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Message 3215 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 5:57:53 UTC - in response to Message 3214.  

Who is the project for?
For Makarova or for users?
If for Makarova, then there is no point in continuing.
If for users, then Makarov is against, then the project has no future.
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Message 3217 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 6:57:09 UTC - in response to Message 3216.  

For Makarova, ambition is more important than business.
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Message 3218 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 7:18:36 UTC

Um, what? Just send out the next batch of work, and it'll get done. No problem. Less drama please.
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Message 3219 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 7:26:29 UTC - in response to Message 3218.  
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Um, what? Just send out the next batch of work, and it'll get done. No problem. Less drama please.

I want to see the results of the project!
Tomas Brada refused to publish the results.

Do you need a project without results?
I do not need such a project.

No drama!
I have WUs, I have a PC.
I continue to work.

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Поиск марьяжных ДЛК (кроме симметричных) для семейства ЛК

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Message 3220 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 10:08:39 UTC

Stop drama.
I sent all past results to Makarova. And I will sent this batch too once it is done processing. But I also sleep.
Here is a quote from Makarova about publishing of results:
I advise you to close the preliminary results of the project (enter the password). This is done in the project ODLK1. citerra is the person who appropriates the results of ODLK and ODLK1 projects.

I do not publish (as in upload for all users to see) results, for protection of Makarova. I gladly upload the results for public to see.
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Message 3222 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 10:34:20 UTC - in response to Message 3220.  
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Stop drama.
I sent all past results to Makarova. And I will sent this batch too once it is done processing. But I also sleep.
Here is a quote from Makarova about publishing of results:
I advise you to close the preliminary results of the project (enter the password). This is done in the project ODLK1. citerra is the person who appropriates the results of ODLK and ODLK1 projects.

I do not publish (as in upload for all users to see) results, for protection of Makarova. I gladly upload the results for public to see.

I have proof
https://boinc.multi-pool.info/latinsquares/forum_thread.php?id=37#222

Therefore, in the project ODLK1 password is entered.
Unable to take in the draft preliminary results.
But the results are published monthly by the ice00 project administrator.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wIf97_bLDvnb1WalOsjU9vODZqRZ_WNw

Tomas Brada
you must publish the results of your project as an administrator for public viewing.
I advised you to close the preliminary results.
Do not be confused!

The project processed three batches. You have processed the results.
Please publish all the unique solutions found in the project.

In another case, I do not work in the project.

Stop drama! :)
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Message 3223 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 10:43:18 UTC - in response to Message 3222.  

you must publish the results of your project as an administrator for public viewing.
I advised you to close the preliminary results. Do not be confused!
The project processed three batches. You have processed the results. Publish unique solutions.

This is all that was needed. Please would be nice.
Oh, and If you have trouble in english, write in russian. I can understand (with help of dictionary).
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Message 3224 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 10:47:39 UTC - in response to Message 3223.  

Oh, and If you have trouble in english, write in russian. I can understand (with help of dictionary).

Is Google translator so bad?

Yes, I do not know English.
But I respect the community and use a translator.
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Message 3225 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 10:49:53 UTC - in response to Message 3223.  

you must publish the results of your project as an administrator for public viewing.
I advised you to close the preliminary results. Do not be confused!
The project processed three batches. You have processed the results. Publish unique solutions.

This is all that was needed. Please would be nice.

Sorry I do not understand you.
Will you publish the results of the project? Or not?
What did you need?

I need results!!!
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Message 3226 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 10:56:57 UTC - in response to Message 3225.  

I needed your permission to publish the results.
Anyway, credit is assigned and the results are published. Please see the threads in News section.
https://boinc.tbrada.eu/download/padls_10.zip
https://boinc.tbrada.eu/download/padls_12.zip
https://boinc.tbrada.eu/download/padls_13.zip
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Message 3227 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 10:58:51 UTC

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I remind you: I need access to preliminary results during the experiment.
Is it hard to do?
But in projects ODLK and ODLK1 this is done.
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Message 3228 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 11:04:09 UTC - in response to Message 3227.  

I need access to preliminary results during the experiment. Is it hard to do?

Yes, this is hard to do in the automated processing that I have. Not impossible.
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Message 3229 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 11:05:20 UTC - in response to Message 3226.  

I needed your permission to publish the results.
Anyway, credit is assigned and the results are published. Please see the threads in News section.
https://boinc.tbrada.eu/download/padls_10.zip
https://boinc.tbrada.eu/download/padls_12.zip
https://boinc.tbrada.eu/download/padls_13.zip
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I see it.
I downloaded the results and see them.
Thanks.

Again some misunderstanding!
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Message 3230 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 11:14:21 UTC - in response to Message 3228.  
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I need access to preliminary results during the experiment. Is it hard to do?

Yes, this is hard to do in the automated processing that I have. Not impossible.

How did you do it?

Already 796 new cf odls. Preliminary results:
https://boinc.tbrada.eu/download/pre_results_10_0.txt
https://boinc.tbrada.eu/download/prep_results_10_0.txt
count[1]: 779
count[2]: 17
All: 796
CF co-squares: 789

https://boinc.progger.info/odlk/forum_thread.php?id=104&postid=3078#3078

How is this done in the ODLK and ODLK1 BOINC projects?
Why can't you do the same???
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Message 3238 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 20:17:04 UTC - in response to Message 3237.  
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Please do not operate autonomous project in this topic.
One message is ok, I do not delete it. But this topic is for new applications for this boinc project.
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Message 3239 - Posted: 5 Mar 2019, 3:42:23 UTC - in response to Message 3188.  
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Rule 38 has been exhausted, before I was able to build windows app. I guess I do not have to worry about the windows app now :D
Next are rule 15 and 51. But I do not want to create two more apps for this. Each app also requires new version of assimilator. These edits are minor, but it still needs to be built on three platforms, add new app to project and add the app versions to project. Instead I will bundle both versions of the generators and select based on argument.

But there is more. There is a third generator, that is not yet in the project. Either run it after 15 and 51 is over, or run it together. Two generators are ran in one workunit, because their outputs intersects, so the intersection is only processed once. I suppose the third generator does intersect as well. Another challenge is that the third generator produces over a million of cf dls per row. There are multiple options.

First: Put all three generators, implement check-pointing and have ridiculously long tasks (talking about 40 hours). There is will be at least 200MiB of RAM wasted for just storing the set. Also the chance of updates or user events killing the app are high in this time range.

Second: Do the rules 15 and 51 with the two generators, like we do now, including the splitting to keep task size 20-40 minutes without checkpoint. Then worry about the third generator later. This works quite well, but I fear it will be over quickly.
Then the third generator will get it's own app. All three rules in the app, but not at the same time. The outer loop of the generator will be restricted to just one index to keep the task size comfortable. Also the first and second generator will run, but their results will be subtracted from the set (to avoid computing the intersection twice).

Third: The subtraction is kind of silly, so unify all three of them in one task. Keeping comfortable task size will be more complicated, she may want the results separate and we already did rule 58 so second option is unavoidable here.

Some automation would help, like Jenkins. I mean, I would commit the source and it would auto-build for all the platforms and add the binaries to boinc. Maybe I could use boinc project to build apps for boinc projects... hmmm. I expected the project to be more set-and-forget, like I would load a batch of wus and it would run for two months.

In conclusion I need sources for gen 1 and 2 for rules 15 and 51 (4 total) for the first part. The third gen would be nice to see as well.

Tomas Brada
your “thoughts out loud” (see quote) clearly said that you didn’t like my project and you don’t want to continue it.
I answered you in vain.

I am leaving your BOINC project.
Many misunderstandings!

Best regards.
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Message 3240 - Posted: 5 Mar 2019, 11:01:20 UTC - in response to Message 3239.  

Of corse, you are free to leave.
But Why would I think in my free time about ways to best arrange your new generators into boinc application, and be creating new applications, if I did not like your project? I offered you my help (to distribute your tasks via my server), so you should be at least thankful.
Oh, and can I still come for a visit?
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